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In this episode, UNB Tim welcomes Aussie Thongbro to the podcast. They discuss Aussie Thongbro’s journey into wearing thongs and exploring different styles of underwear. They also talk about breaking gender norms and embracing lingerie. Aussie Thongbro shares his experiences with wearing thongs in public and the growing acceptance of men in lingerie. They also discuss the importance of having a supportive partner and open communication. The episode concludes with a conversation about how underwear can be a great equalizer and a way to connect with like-minded individuals. In this conversation, Aussie Thong Bro and UNB Tim discuss stepping out of your comfort zone, overcoming shyness and introversion, thriving in your passion, creating connections through shared interests, the power of underwear parties, and embracing the freedom of self-expression. They wrap up the conversation by sharing where to find Aussie Thong Bro online.

Takeaways

  • Wearing thongs can evoke a sense of freedom and break down gender norms in clothing.
  • The acceptance of men in lingerie is growing, allowing for more exploration and self-expression.
  • Australia is becoming more accepting of thongs, although it may still vary depending on the location.
  • Having a supportive partner and open communication is important in exploring different styles of underwear.
  • Underwear can be a great equalizer, allowing people to connect and share their passion for different styles and brands. Stepping out of your comfort zone can lead to new opportunities and personal growth.
  • Being shy or introverted doesn’t have to hold you back from reaching out and connecting with others.
  • Finding and pursuing your passion can bring fulfillment and joy to your life.
  • Shared interests, such as underwear, can create strong connections and communities.
  • Underwear parties can be a fun and liberating experience, allowing people to express themselves freely.
  • Embracing your true self and exploring new experiences can lead to personal empowerment and happiness.

Chapters

Introduction and Welcome

Getting to Know Aussie Thongbro

Discovering Thongs and Embracing Freedom

Early Interest in Underwear and Exploring Different Styles

Breaking Gender Norms and Embracing Lingerie

The Appeal of Thongs and the Feeling of Freedom

Exploring Feminine Lingerie and Breaking Boundaries

The Growing Acceptance of Men in Lingerie

The Acceptance of Thongs in Australia

Reactions to Thongs in Australia

Supportive Partner and Open Communication

Underwear as the Great Equalizer

Connecting with Like-Minded Individuals

The Joy of the Podcast and Sharing Passion

Stepping out of your comfort zone

Overcoming shyness and introversion

Thriving in your passion

Creating connections through shared interests

The power of underwear parties

Embracing the freedom of underwear parties

Wrapping up the conversation

Where to find Aussie Thong Bro online

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Riverside gave me fits for this show so there won’t be a lot of extras. It took me extra long to edit and get this out. But me, Andy an Erik go over the survey results from our Podcast Suvey and talk about the new year and the podcast. 

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Josie Azocar, founder of Tuck It Up, discusses the challenges and successes of creating a brand that specializes in underwear for the trans community. She shares her personal journey and the need she felt to find underwear that suited her needs. Josie explains the concept of talking panties and how they help trans women achieve a more affirming appearance. She emphasizes the importance of inclusive brands and the need for more options in the market. Josie also discusses the challenges of promoting her brand on social media platforms and the arbitrary nature of their policies. Despite these challenges, she remains committed to expanding her brand and meeting the diverse needs of her customers. In this conversation, Josie Azocar discusses the expansion of her brand into lingerie and the importance of matching sets. She also shares where to find her brand online and the resources available for learning how to use the product. The conversation concludes with a discussion of future plans and the invitation to explore the brand further.

Takeaways

  • The brand is expanding into lingerie and focusing on matching sets.
  • The brand can be found online at www.talkitup.com.
  • There are explicit and non-explicit videos available on YouTube and other platforms to learn how to use the product.
  • Josie Azocar plans to continue expanding the brand and hopes to be back on the podcast in the future.

Chapters

Introduction and Background

About Tuck It Up

Starting the Brand

Expanding the Target Audience

The Importance of Inclusive Brands

The Challenges of Social Media

Customer Feedback

Challenges in Promoting the Brand

Navigating Social Media Policies

The Need for Change in Social Media Policies

The Struggle for LGBTQ+ Brands

The Frustrations of Social Media Algorithms

The Future of Tuck It Up

Expansion into Lingerie

Where to Find the Brand Online

Resources for Using the Product

Conclusion and Future Plans

Find more about TuckItup

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In this episode, the hosts review the BodyAware Glow Tanga. They discuss their first impressions of the neon yellow color and the softness of the fabric. The hosts share their experiences wearing the underwear in different settings, such as lounging at home and wearing it to work. They also discuss the sizing and fit of the underwear, as well as the construction and design. Overall, the hosts are impressed with the Glow Tanga and would recommend it to others. In this conversation, the hosts discuss underwear reviews and the importance of seeing how a pair fits on the body. They encourage listeners to follow the social media accounts of underwear reviewers who provide multiple angles of the underwear. They also mention the upcoming release of a surprise review show on Christmas day. The hosts express their desire to have more reviews and invite listeners to support the podcast through Patreon.

Takeaways

  • The BodyAware Glow Tanga is a fun and playful underwear option with a unique Tanga cut.
  • The fabric is soft and comfortable, and the sizing is accurate.
  • The underwear is suitable for everyday wear and can also be worn for more special occasions.
  • The neon yellow color is vibrant and eye-catching.
  • The pouch may not provide as much support as some individuals prefer.
  • The waistband is comfortable and stays in place throughout the day.
  • The Glow Tanga is part of a larger Glow collection, which includes various styles and colors.

Chapters

  • Introduction and Overview
  • First Impressions of the Glow Tanga
  • Previous Experience with BodyAware
  • Initial Reactions to the Neon Yellow Color
  • Wearing the Glow Tanga
  • Reservations and Performance of the Pouch
  • Fabric and Waistband
  • Sizing and Fit
  • Styling and Design
  • Overall Impressions and Recommendations
  • Other Pairs in the Glow Collection
  • Ratings and Conclusion
  • Cons and Final Thoughts
  • Closing Remarks and Where to Find the Reviewers
  • Follow them on social media
  • 360-degree view of underwear
  • Supporting the podcast through Patreon

BodyAware Glow Tanga – https://bodyaware.com/collections/mens-nylon-underwear/products/mens-blue-nylon-tanga

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In this conversation, Marino Coco and UNB Tim discuss the challenges of living double lives, particularly in relation to sexuality and personal identity. They explore the exhaustion and admiration associated with maintaining a double identity, as well as the importance of coming out on one’s own terms. They also delve into the confidence-boosting effects of wearing underwear and the joy of wearing swim briefs. The conversation concludes with a discussion on where to find Marino Coco online.

Takeaways

  • Living a double life can be exhausting and challenging, particularly for individuals who are hiding their true selves due to societal expectations or personal circumstances.
  • Coming out on one’s own terms is important and should be respected. It is a personal journey that requires readiness and a sense of safety.
  • Wearing underwear, particularly styles that make one feel confident and comfortable, can have a positive impact on self-esteem.
  • Swim briefs can be a source of joy and self-expression, allowing individuals to feel confident and attractive at the beach or pool.
  • Finding a community of like-minded individuals who share similar interests and experiences can be fulfilling and provide a sense of belonging.

Chapters

Living Double Lives

The Challenges of Hiding

The Exhaustion of Maintaining a Double Identity

Admiration for Those Who Lived Double Lives

Coming Out on Your Own Terms

The Confidence Boost of Underwear

The Joy of Wearing Swim Briefs

Competition and Variety in Swimwear

The Love for Swimming

Where to Find Marino Coco Online

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MDC (@mar_dan_co) • Instagram photos and videos

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In this episode, Tim interviews Josh, a podcast listener and underwear enthusiast. They discuss Josh’s love for underwear, his early experiences with different styles and colors, and his favorite brands. Josh also shares his experience working at Calvin Klein and the interesting customer interactions he had. The episode provides insights into the world of underwear and the passion that many people have for this often overlooked garment.

Also in this conversation, Tim and Josh discuss the role of underwear in relationships. Josh shares his experience of introducing his partner to his extensive underwear collection and the fun and excitement that comes with it. They also talk about the joy of buying underwear for others and the confidence boost that comes from wearing comfortable and stylish underwear. Josh shares some funny and embarrassing underwear stories, and they discuss the impact of social media on the underwear community. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of self-expression and confidence through underwear

Takeaways

  • Underwear can play a significant role in relationships, adding excitement and fun.
  • Buying underwear for your partner can be a thoughtful and intimate gesture.
  • Wearing comfortable and stylish underwear can boost confidence and make you feel good about yourself.
  • Underwear can be a conversation starter and a way to express your personality and style.
  • Social media platforms like Instagram can be a great way to connect with the underwear community and discover new brands and styles.

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On this episode we are joined by Jai, he is no stranger to the wrold of underwear! 

Jai, a creative director, shares his passion for underwear on the Brief Talk podcast episode. He discusses his childhood discovery of underwear and how it shaped his love for the garment, the evolution of men’s underwear over time, the significance of fit and style, the growing popularity of pink underwear for men, and his own extensive underwear collection. The episode offers valuable insights into the role of underwear as a tool for self-expression and confidence, emphasizing the importance of both comfort and aesthetics in underwear selection. Additionally, it highlights the increasing acceptance and embrace of a wider range of underwear styles and colors among men.

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Today we are joined by a fellow Atlanta guy Steve taurus. We met on Twitter and I got him on the podcast to tell everyone about how he discovered and fell in love with underwear. It’s a super fun story that he shares.  We hope you enjoy this brief tale 

Steve Taurus is a 34-year-old gay man who lives in Atlanta, Georgia. He has been wearing underwear since he was a teenager and has always been interested in different styles and brands. His first pair of Calvin Klein underwear was a turning point for him, and he has been a fan of the brand ever since. He has also experimented with other brands, such as Screw, Man Store, N2M Bodywear, and Two Arrows. Steve believes that it is important to buy quality underwear that fits well and makes you feel confident. He also enjoys trying out new styles and brands.

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Hey guys

Thanks for listening to this quick podcast about 2024! Here are some things I have planned! Also take out the survey – https://forms.gle/7VKMpUjG5C363DjC9

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We bring you the second edition of the White Brief show. I am joined by our two white brief guys, Jock Embarassedd and Eric aka TheJockerRoom. Our main topic is: what exactly is a pair of Tighty Whities? What must a pair have in order to be considered? “tighy whities” No surprise, we all have different definitions. 

We talk about the white briefs culture and the passion behind the guys who are in love with this style. It’s a pair that is overlooked by the mainstream underwear guys. However, it is one of the pairs that have a deep history and a whole fetish culture around the pair. 

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This week’s podcast has an opening podcast about body image. I brought two guys together, Crimson Ginger, aka Chris, and Texas Renegade, aka Wayne, to discuss issues we all face in the world of underwear. I answer why I don’t post pics of myself. 

This is going to be the first of many podcasts discussing Body Image. We definitely want your feedback on what you want to hear on future episodes, what questions you want answered, and what else we should add. 

Chris 

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I have wanted to do a show talking to OF creators who are also underwear lovers. We have had all three of these guys on the show, and now we have them in one conversation. It was an interesting talk about content creation for an audience for spicy content. 

I am joined by Down Under Bri, Jock Embarrassed, and Brief Bro aka Lee. Each one of these does different things on OF. One goes full-on, the other has a more niche kink audience, and the other does solo content. 

We may be doing a Brief Talk Podcast After DArk that is more adult-themed and spicy. I”m still debating that. 

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If you are an avid listener to the Brief Talk Podcast, you can now join Patreon as a free member and be a part of the community! This is a new feature that Patreon has released and we can interact with you guys in one place. So what do you have to go?

  1. Go to our Patreon Page – HTTP://www.patreon.com/unbblog
  2. Go to the right order below the picture (the guy in the red boxer briefs if on desktop) and click the three dots.
  3. You will see “join for free” and click and Join!
  4. There is no credit card needed to be a part of the community. I will start doing regular posts for members and free members.

I encourage you guys to go over and join so I can talk to you guys who love the podcast. I hope to have our guys on as well. and answer questions as they come up per episode. I may start posting questions after the episode goes live for you guys.

GO JOIN NOW

Today, we are joined by Bobby. I have been trying to get him on the podcast for a while. He’s almost a neighbor of mine in Atlanta, a firefighter, a pool boy, and all around underwear lover. Plus he’s an openly bisexual father and isn’t ashamed to share his love of underwear with the world on our podcast 

He’s not on a lot of social media, and the only link he is sharing is his FetLife account. Follow him there or send me a message to pass along. 

https://fetlife.com/users/2025881?sp=3

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Today we are joined by Conrad aka Abearinundies. He’s got a very interesting story to tell about how he came to discover his love of underwear. He even mentions that he goes underwear shopping with friends. 

It’s a great convo and he did a deep dive into the Brief Talk Podcast before he came on the show. He was a lot of fun to talk with and I hope we get him back soon. 

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We are joined by Ed from Raw Studio Designs. If you aren’t familiar with his brand, he’s based out of Canada and makes some amazing jocks, socks (not the kind you are thinking), swimwear, and more.

He talks about his awesome company and gives a hint at what’s coming, and if you know me, this is some spandex goodness (HMM wonder what it could be?) We will have him on again and talk more! Maybe a jockstrap Show!

Go shop at www.rawstudiodesigns.com

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I take a few minutes to talk to you guys about the podcast, what schedule we will go by (prob no shows after major holidays), and how scheduling will sometimes have a week without a podcast. You will he happy I didn’t divert from my focus, no tangents. 

Thanks for listening 

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I am joined by StuartinStuart from Instagram. I stumbled across his profile on IG and thought he would be an amazing interview. The first reason is that he looks awesome in his gear. Second, he’s a man of a certain age (hear the podcast to find out the age). And he just started wearing swim briefs in the last six months!!! 

We had a very fun and interesting talk. I hope you guys will enjoy listening to it as much as I did making this podcast. 

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We have JockEmbarrassed join us for this Brief Tale. He talks about how he discovered his love of underwear and white briefs! He started an Only Fans account for embarrassing content in white briefs. This includes wedgies, exposing his white briefs, and more.

This talk builds on our recent white brief show, where we addressed some of the kinks around white briefs. However, he doesn’t just like white briefs. He wears many other styles as well. Listen to this underwear lover; we hope you enjoy his story.

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Only Fans – onlyfans.com/jockembarrassed
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We are back with a thong show finally! We have Andy, Erik, and Chris aka Crimson Ginger back to answer listener questions. Andy & Eric asked their followers to send in questions for the show. We answered some of them but will answer more in future shows. You guys asked a lot of great questions! 

Erik

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Andy

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Chris 

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Today we bring back the group shows and the topic is “Popularity of Swim Briefs” CNN in June ran an article saying that swim briefs are gaining in popularity around the world and also the US. (https://www.cnn.com/style/speedos-comeback-fashion). Joining the group show is the OG Erk, Wayne (Texas Renegade), Chris (Crimson Ginger), and John (John Drinks Burbon).

We talk about the aritcle, what our favorite swimwear brands are, when did we first wear a swim brief/thong for the first time, and more! It’s a great convo I think you guys will love!

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Today, we bring you something a little different. We have David, one of the co-founders of an event in Atlanta called Kink Down South. A kink event held in June brought the world of kink to the south. We talked about the event, how successful the first year was, and how little time they had to plan it. We also learned that kink is what you make and should be open to all. It’s refreshing to hear this; we fully support them and their mission. Lastly, we discussed some of David’s favorite gear and what he liked about them. David is a fantastic guest that I want to have on the show for other kink-focused shows! And maybe a singlet show! Find and Follow Kink Down Southwebsite – www.kinkdownsouth.comTwitter – www.twitter.com/kinkdownsouthInstagram – www.instagram.com/kinkdownsouth Support UNBFor ongoing support, join our Patreon – www.patreon.com/unbblogFor one-time support  visit our support page – https://www.underwearnewsbriefs.com/about/support-unb/. You can donate by Ko-fi or Paypal Read more at unbblog.comFollow me on Twitter and IG @UNBBlog.

We are joined today by Brian aka Downunder Bri on social media. He is a great guy out of Melbourne Australia who loves undies and has been on my list for a while to interview! We are so glad he’s on and had an amazing conversation and found out more bout Brian and the amazing brands he loves in Australia.

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UNB Tim:
Hey everyone, welcome to another edition of the Brief Talk Podcast. We have a brief tell for you from someone down under. You may know him from Instagram and Twitter and maybe his spicier side. Um, it is Down Under Bright. Welcome.

DownUnder Bri:
Thank you for having me, very excited

UNB Tim:
It’s

DownUnder Bri:
to be here.

UNB Tim:
good to have you here. He is not a podcasting virgin. He’s done podcasting before. And it’s good to have him on here. I know we’ve been talking for a while and time zones

DownUnder Bri:
about the time zones, isn’t

UNB Tim:
suck.

DownUnder Bri:
it? This is

UNB Tim:
It’s

DownUnder Bri:
actually

UNB Tim:
just.

DownUnder Bri:
a pretty good time zone, I think. I think it’s, you know, it’s not too early in the morning for me and not too early in the evening for you.

UNB Tim:
Now the east coast of Australia does well for me. So anytime I do Sydney or Melbourne, I’m good. I’m like, okay, we can make this work. One of us is either gonna be up, you know, nine-ish, you know,

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah, respectable.

UNB Tim:
seven at night. It’s not bad. Not like where it’s like, oh, Jesus, one of us is gonna be up at 2 a.m. and it’s

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah,

UNB Tim:
usually me.

DownUnder Bri:
no

UNB Tim:
But

DownUnder Bri:
thank you.

UNB Tim:
so no, this is a good time zone. We have you here. Great to be here with you and finally get you on here. We’ve talked forever.

DownUnder Bri:
Hooray!

UNB Tim:
We have some things in common. We were talking beforehand and underwear is one of them. Yay.

DownUnder Bri:
Hehehehe

UNB Tim:
We love underwear. So first off, tell our listeners who may not be familiar with you a little bit about you.

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah, well, Down Under Bri is my username on pretty much any platform you could think of. Brian is my name. I feel like I’m too old to come up with a pseudonym that is different. So I’m happy to go by Bri or Brian. Based in Melbourne, Australia and currently, oh, should I say? Yeah, currently 41 years old and yeah, enjoying life.

UNB Tim:
You are way older than I thought you were.

DownUnder Bri:
I’m

UNB Tim:
I’m just

DownUnder Bri:
that is

UNB Tim:
saying.

DownUnder Bri:
the perfect that I really enjoy that reaction. So keep it coming is all I say.

UNB Tim:
I get the same reaction when people find out. It’s one of my friend’s husbands found out my age and he’s just like, what? I go, yeah. He goes, no. And I’m going, you wanna see the driver’s license?

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah,

UNB Tim:
Here

DownUnder Bri:
good

UNB Tim:
you go.

DownUnder Bri:
reactions like that please. Shock and awe about how good my skin is, is more than welcome.

UNB Tim:
And it’s just like, um, I thought you were like 15 years younger than you were. And I’m like, love you. You’re sticking around.

DownUnder Bri:
The

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
trick is not to go outside is all I say.

UNB Tim:
Well, that’s been mine in the last, like, 20 years. It’s like, I don’t go outside. Everyone’s like, don’t you go to the beach? And I’m like, I haven’t been to the beach since the 90s, so no.

DownUnder Bri:
and don’t underestimate the power of low watt lighting. Ha

UNB Tim:
Well, and,

DownUnder Bri:
ha ha!

UNB Tim:
and staying and making sure they have like, best lean over the glasses and you’re great.

DownUnder Bri:
Oh,

UNB Tim:
So

DownUnder Bri:
that season

UNB Tim:
just be

DownUnder Bri:
one

UNB Tim:
like,

DownUnder Bri:
RuPaul filter? No thank you.

UNB Tim:
so, but yeah, so you’re down under, it’s great to have more Aussie guys on the show because

DownUnder Bri:
Yes.

UNB Tim:
as I was telling you, you have such an amazing swimwear and underwear market there. that

DownUnder Bri:
Great.

UNB Tim:
makes me so jealous because every time you turn around, there’s a new Australian brand in either swimwear, underwear or both.

DownUnder Bri:
Yep.

UNB Tim:
And

DownUnder Bri:
Look,

UNB Tim:
they’re so amazing.

DownUnder Bri:
it definitely reflects back in US as well. There’s a lot of US brands that I would love to purchase, but unfortunately, yeah, the shipping can be sometimes horrendous to get it over there. So look, one day we’ll find out a way to make it a lot cheaper for us to send things over.

UNB Tim:
We need that Star Trek transporter where he just pushes the button and he goes deeeeeeek

DownUnder Bri:
tell

UNB Tim:
and

DownUnder Bri:
me

UNB Tim:
there

DownUnder Bri:
about

UNB Tim:
it

DownUnder Bri:
it, that’s

UNB Tim:
is!

DownUnder Bri:
exactly right. That’s the technology that I am waiting for.

UNB Tim:
because I know there are many brands I want to order. And usually when we talk about US brands, End to End is right on the top of the list for a lot of people.

DownUnder Bri:
Mm-hmm.

UNB Tim:
And I’m like, oh my God, I don’t know what I’d do if I couldn’t have End to End. I think I would kill somebody.

DownUnder Bri:
Oh god.

UNB Tim:
Oh my God. It’s like my favorite. And I’m just like, I must have it.

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
So yeah, and our post offices for a while, they didn’t play well together

DownUnder Bri:
No.

UNB Tim:
because it was taking a couple of months to get things back and forth. And I’m like, What is this?

DownUnder Bri:
It’s stupid. Yeah. Look, unfortunately, our Australia Post Service, we did have a partnership with a US Dropbox type situation, but they’ve since got rid of that. I think maybe because it was too expensive or something like that, but oh well, we just have to deal with it normally.

UNB Tim:
The only one that does shipping really well to the US is Ozzy Bomb.

DownUnder Bri:
Yep.

UNB Tim:
And I don’t know what deal they have, what witchcraft they did, or who they cursed to get them to do it, but it’ll get here in a couple days. And I’m just

DownUnder Bri:
Wow,

UNB Tim:
like,

DownUnder Bri:
that’s amazing.

UNB Tim:
a couple days to a week, it depends on what you… But it’s like…

DownUnder Bri:
That’s really good.

UNB Tim:
Did you really come up with lots of voodoo dolls in your back room or something? Cause wow, even

DownUnder Bri:
there’s

UNB Tim:
in

DownUnder Bri:
a

UNB Tim:
the

DownUnder Bri:
potential

UNB Tim:
worst time

DownUnder Bri:
secret sauce.

UNB Tim:
there.

DownUnder Bri:
There could be a potential secret sauce there somewhere. Maybe they do it where they have a factory in America maybe.

UNB Tim:
Now, I know a couple of Australian brands have like, just, well, fulfillment centers here, because they don’t want to deal with it and it’s way easier, but theirs comes from Sydney, because

DownUnder Bri:
Wow.

UNB Tim:
I, because I tracked it before and I’m just like, how did you do that?

DownUnder Bri:
Wow. Maybe it’s up to us Aussie boys to do that research on behalf of your blogs.

UNB Tim:
Well, you know, I don’t order for much now, but it’s just like good for you people. I just wish the other ones would find that secret sauce because there’s,

DownUnder Bri:
Yep.

UNB Tim:
we won’t

DownUnder Bri:
Hahaha.

UNB Tim:
go there because if we spend time talking, we will have a show about Ozzy brand soon, but we won’t do it now because that would be like two hours worth of podcasts,

DownUnder Bri:
Oh, could you imagine?

UNB Tim:
so

DownUnder Bri:
Talking two

UNB Tim:
that would

DownUnder Bri:
hours

UNB Tim:
be

DownUnder Bri:
about

UNB Tim:
heavy.

DownUnder Bri:
underway. How rude.

UNB Tim:
Well, I’ve done it before and I’m sure

DownUnder Bri:
Yes.

UNB Tim:
I will do it again soon, but I’m trying to get more, more people to talk underwear. That’s what these shows are about. It’s like,

DownUnder Bri:
That’s good.

UNB Tim:
come on people, talk underwear, talk it with your friends. Come

DownUnder Bri:
Do

UNB Tim:
on,

DownUnder Bri:
it. Make

UNB Tim:
do

DownUnder Bri:
it normal.

UNB Tim:
it. That’s what I say. That’s, and guys seem to be enjoying the podcast. We keep growing. So

DownUnder Bri:
Hooray!

UNB Tim:
we’re keep doing it. People enjoying our Patreon before I forget because I keep forgetting to do it because of the kidney stone and I did not put it in other shows. And I have a special announcement. Uh, I’ll turn it at the end of the show. I’ll turn it on your show. We’ll have a special announcement at the end, but

DownUnder Bri:
exciting.

UNB Tim:
get us to 20 people. We’re at 16 now. We’re only four away. We’ve grown quite a bit, but we haven’t done anything. So there’s my speech in the middle of your podcast. Sorry about that.

DownUnder Bri:
Hahaha

UNB Tim:
We’ve got to earn the coin to keep this going, people. Um, we have big ideas and I’ll tell you at the end. So, and you may be able to be part of it. So,

DownUnder Bri:
Bring it on!

UNB Tim:
and you don’t even know what it is yet. I haven’t even

DownUnder Bri:
Uh

UNB Tim:
told

DownUnder Bri:
oh.

UNB Tim:
you.

DownUnder Bri:
Oh god.

UNB Tim:
But it’s a good, it’s a real good thing, trust me. So, so yeah. So, okay, back to underwear, back to fun, back to you.

DownUnder Bri:
Bring it.

UNB Tim:
So, being a young Aussie lad, when did you discover underwear? What was it that said, hmm, I love this, I must experience this? So what was it that caught your eye and made you have the… As we see, the underwear bug can grow from there.

DownUnder Bri:
Yes. Look, I know that I do listen to a lot of these brief tales and can say that I am probably one of the stereotypes where you go to the aisle of the department store, you see the underwear aisle, you see all the men with the underwear on the packaging, and that’s where it started. Probably even before I even labelled myself as gay, there was… fascination towards the Underwear Isle. So I’m not saying that I am different from the norm, that’s definitely where it actually started.

UNB Tim:
So you took the pilgrimage to the Holy Land, as I call it,

DownUnder Bri:
Yes.

UNB Tim:
and saw all the amazing things, which, being in Australia, you had to have many different things than we did here in the States because…

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah, it looked just different department stores really. I think nowadays the department stores have their own generic brands, but

UNB Tim:
Hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
back then the department, a lot of the department stores had a good variety of range to choose from, so it wasn’t just their generic in-store range. Uh, they actually did have, you know, a lot of the good brands, uh, that were out there, which was a good way to be introduced to, you know, the American brands to start with.

UNB Tim:
And which American brands did you start with and do you still like? That’s the question.

DownUnder Bri:
Calvin Klein was definitely a big brand back when I

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
was first looking at underwear. I ended up, I don’t think I ended up purchasing any Calvin Klein’s in the end. I think mainly because of the cost at the time.

UNB Tim:
Oh yeah.

DownUnder Bri:
But To Exist was probably one of the ones that really caught my eye at the start. Specifically, the thongs was something that back when I first started, I did a bit of a cyclic thing. started with a couple of thongs when I first enjoyed underwear, went to briefs, went to short trunks, and now I’m jocking thong. So

UNB Tim:
Wow.

DownUnder Bri:
an interesting thing, just like fashion, fashion is circular, and I think my love for the different styles of underwear is circular as well. But

UNB Tim:
here.

DownUnder Bri:
2XS was probably the main brand that I started with in Australia.

UNB Tim:
That’s a good one. But you do something most people who’ve been on here don’t do is you’ve circled through brands. A lot of people get started and stick with or expand a little bit. But you mentioned like just about every style there from thongs to briefs to trunks back to jocks and thongs. And that’s kind of cool, though, because

DownUnder Bri:
Mm.

UNB Tim:
I have a My taste sort of range because I hate trunks because they drive me crazy because they have no pouch

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
But I like the really long boxer briefs that are like the compression gear and the spandexy with the pouch Love those like coxsacks makes like the most incredible ones and it’s like

DownUnder Bri:
Nice.

UNB Tim:
Love these are they did. I don’t know if they still make those I have to look I don’t think they do because it used to be their sports line amazing, uh, so But yeah, it’s Most guys usually stick to one, maybe two styles, but it’s good to hear you like all of them.

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah, well, I mean, you’ve got to try them all out to work out what you like. Nowadays, yeah, I definitely think that the most that I wear are jock straps. And, but now I’m this sort of year, I’m actually coming into work wearing thongs a lot more again.

UNB Tim:
Alright, you go boy.

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
Go. So that sort of takes away my next question. So because you explained you went all over the map and that

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
didn’t really influence you but your current favorite styles are thongs and jocks. What are your favorites right now as in terms of everyday wear or you know fun wear or Which ones are you gravitating toward? Which brands right now?

DownUnder Bri:
Brands at the moment, so I wouldn’t necessarily say that I am brand loyal. I am happy to try a good variety of brands. The good thing is when I was first exploring getting into underwear, I would subscribe to underwear subscriptions that would send

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
you a pair every month. That’s really what first introduced me to a good variety of brands. So I was very happy with that. But nowadays, it’s not necessarily the brand. Sometimes it’s about trying out the styles and trying out the new ones. But I do know that at this stage, Man Crush Apparel is probably something that I’m really enjoying at the moment. They have a good staple range. I wouldn’t say they’re particularly adventurous with their styles. They’ve got just the basic jocks, the basic briefs, the basic swimwear in regards to the design. But it’s still, there’s nothing wrong with being good at basic, in my

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
opinion. They do have some fun colors. They do have some fun patterns with a swimwear at the moment So I am enjoying that range at the moment and I’m actually trying Ozzy bum again I was a little bit off with Ozzy bum for quite a while mainly because The fit for every brand was the fit for every style was slightly different I know that

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
we were talking I think crimson was talking about Andrew Christian last month

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
last week was in relation to how depending on the style that you end up getting, the fit will be slightly different. So that’s what

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
turned me off Ozzybumb. But I’m going back to Ozzybumb based on recommendations from friends telling me that no, actually they’re really getting their designs quite more universally appealing, because not everyone has a huge pouch and not everyone has a huge badonkadonk. So it’s good to

UNB Tim:
crew.

DownUnder Bri:
go back there. So I’m trying out Ozzybumb again, especially when they’ve got some great sales on at the moment, picking up some really nice cheap underwear is… a great thing. Not that I should be always going just because they’re cheap. But, you know,

UNB Tim:
Hey.

DownUnder Bri:
like all of us, girl is on a budget. So we want to make sure that we, you know, get money, get our bang for our buck, really.

UNB Tim:
They have amazing sales because

DownUnder Bri:
Absolutely.

UNB Tim:
they will do the 50% off. Like they just did this week is 50% off swimwear and they do the 50% off underwear every so often. And then they do 50% off everything. And it’s just like, cause we have Cody who’s on our shows and every time they have a sale, I’m like, Hey, did you see the sale? He’s like, shut up. Don’t tell me I’m going to

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
spend more money. My

DownUnder Bri:
It’s

UNB Tim:
husband’s

DownUnder Bri:
terrible.

UNB Tim:
going to be mad at me. And I’m like, that’s not my problem. I’m just, I’m just I’m just the messenger. I’m passing

DownUnder Bri:
Exactly.

UNB Tim:
this along to you. So yeah, Ozzybomb, I’ve had some good stuff from them over the years, and I really want to get some more, but I’ve got to lose some weight so I can fit in their stuff, because I looked

DownUnder Bri:
Oh

UNB Tim:
at their

DownUnder Bri:
no.

UNB Tim:
sizing, and I’m like, I do not fit in nothing you make now, so,

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah. I mean,

UNB Tim:
but I do like

DownUnder Bri:
look,

UNB Tim:
them.

DownUnder Bri:
they are Sydney based and Sydney, in my opinion, is equivalent to the California of Australia. So there are certain body standards that Sydney do have. So they’re not always completely accommodating, but maybe there might be a range that there’s a niche market that they haven’t tapped into

UNB Tim:
Wow.

DownUnder Bri:
yet.

UNB Tim:
You think? I’m not going there. This is not the show for that. So we’re not.

DownUnder Bri:
No, that’s over that. No, that’s alright.

UNB Tim:
I’m not getting it on. I’m not getting on my high horse for that. I’m a soapbox. So I’m

DownUnder Bri:
That’s

UNB Tim:
just

DownUnder Bri:
okay.

UNB Tim:
letting it go.

DownUnder Bri:
I do know that other brands at the moment that I’ve been enjoying, uh, teammate, I am definitely

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
enjoying, uh, I’m loving their, um, their nude range, uh,

UNB Tim:
Uh-huh.

DownUnder Bri:
and their thongs that they’ve brought out recently as well. Uh, as well as for workout where, um, Helsinki Athletica, uh, is another range that I’ve really been enjoying. Um, so that is from what I understand Helsinki is actually an Australian brand, even though it sounds that it’s European.

UNB Tim:
I’m gonna say it sounds like Scandinavia.

DownUnder Bri:
Exactly. But I believe it’s actually an Australian brand. And I’ve been enjoying their workout wear at the moment. So trying that out. Again, jumping on the sales. So Helsinki Athletica is something I really enjoy from a workout wear point of view.

UNB Tim:
Well, as we say, there’s nothing wrong with a good sale because it’s good, because I’ve told people in the past who are getting into underwear, and I’m like, do a sale or shop clearance and try it before you know, you’re gonna spend $40 on a pair here,

DownUnder Bri:
Exactly.

UNB Tim:
which underwear is getting, as for someone who owns an underwear store, even I am going, what the hell’s up with these prices? 30 US, 40 US for one pair. I’m used to like swimwear. I’m like, okay, swimwear, yeah, we’ll pay that for it because it’s gonna last longer. You’re gonna wear it. But I’m like, underwear? I’m like, this is ridiculous.

DownUnder Bri:
Yep, I completely

UNB Tim:
This is

DownUnder Bri:
agree.

UNB Tim:
not Versace underwear. Even

DownUnder Bri:
No.

UNB Tim:
though the boys are just rocking the hell of it on Instagram and Twitter, every time you turn around, somebody’s wearing Versace. And I’m like, where are you bitches getting this money? Those are like $75 pair of underwear you’re wearing.

DownUnder Bri:
Or maybe that’s where the spicy accounts come into it.

UNB Tim:
Well, I think the spicy accounts or a, you know,

DownUnder Bri:
benefactor

UNB Tim:
how do I phrase this? Your glucose guardian comes into effect.

DownUnder Bri:
Yes, a benefactor.

UNB Tim:
So that’s your

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
generic term for that, your glucose guardian.

DownUnder Bri:
Love it.

UNB Tim:
So yes. So I’m like, I’m not hating you because you got it and you got someone to pay for it. I say go

DownUnder Bri:
Mm.

UNB Tim:
for it. I’m very happy for you. I’m just jealous I don’t have one.

DownUnder Bri:
Yes,

UNB Tim:
So.

DownUnder Bri:
and look, this is a perfect podcast to indicate that I am open to glucose guardians for anyone who is actually listening.

UNB Tim:
Hey, if you want to see him in something, you can send it to him, I’m just saying.

DownUnder Bri:
Exactly!

UNB Tim:
We do take, everyone who’s been on the podcast will gladly take, you know, donations of new underwear to post on their social medias. No one will turn it down, let me tell you. They might not have somewhere for you to ship it to and have to solve that problem first, but they will figure that out and get it from you. So, just saying.

DownUnder Bri:
Hahaha

UNB Tim:
Yes. So yeah, it’s, it’s just crazy to me lately. But that’s another podcast too, people. Trust me.

DownUnder Bri:
Just

UNB Tim:
I have

DownUnder Bri:
think

UNB Tim:
a

DownUnder Bri:
of all the tangents that we’ve got on these podcasts today.

UNB Tim:
Well, there is no, as we know, there is no tangent I do not like and won’t go down. And when I have to do like, I’ll do podcasts for our Patreon members every so often that are just me and I try to keep them super short because if I don’t. Oh my God, it’s going to turn into like a 45 minute rambling on. Oh yeah. My point is, I think it could have been done in like two minutes, but the

DownUnder Bri:
Oh

UNB Tim:
last

DownUnder Bri:
dear.

UNB Tim:
one I did, I did, I kept on track. I had no notes. I kept on track. And I got through it and I’m like, look, it’s nine minutes. Yay. I

DownUnder Bri:
Hooray!

UNB Tim:
didn’t even get on a tangent. I’m like, I don’t know what happened, but just be thankful because, you know, I can get distracted and I will take, Ooh, what’s this over here? Let’s talk about this.

DownUnder Bri:
That

UNB Tim:
So

DownUnder Bri:
is

UNB Tim:
yes,

DownUnder Bri:
called growth.

UNB Tim:
that is called luck because it’ll probably never happen again. People,

DownUnder Bri:
Hahaha

UNB Tim:
especially if you’re our Patreon member, enjoy it while you can, because I don’t, I need to do an editor’s note for you boys, but I’m just like, to plan this and sit down oh Jesus

DownUnder Bri:
I

UNB Tim:
that’s

DownUnder Bri:
believe

UNB Tim:
what you don’t

DownUnder Bri:
in you. You can do it.

UNB Tim:
and I’ll get on a tangent just deal with it and one went really wrong and I’m just like I’m putting it out anyway

DownUnder Bri:
No.

UNB Tim:
it’s like So we just thought about your favorite sales. So how big is your collection right now? General estimate, if you don’t really know.

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah, I would say it’s approximately 60 to 70 pairs. I would say it’s about 60 to 70 pairs at the moment.

UNB Tim:
Okay,

DownUnder Bri:
So

UNB Tim:
respectable.

DownUnder Bri:
it’s not, yeah, it’s not respect, it’s respectable, but it’s not huge at the moment. I can say that my underwear buying has decreased over the last couple of years based on the cost of living.

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
So… But that’s why I do sometimes jump on the sales. So yeah, but I’m pretty happy with the range at the moment. It’s a good mix of brands, it’s a good mix of styles, and it’s a good mix of everyday use versus fun use that I might wear to a circuit party or something.

UNB Tim:
Well, there you go. And at that level, it’s easy to store because I have like, say, five, no, 400 pairs.

DownUnder Bri:
Yep.

UNB Tim:
And that’s just like, and I’m trying

DownUnder Bri:
That’s

UNB Tim:
to get,

DownUnder Bri:
amazing.

UNB Tim:
I’m trying to go through it, but it’s like, you know, you gotta get rid of your firstborn child when you go through something. It’s like, I can’t get rid of that pair. No, that was so much fun to wear. Oh, and I can’t get rid of this pair because this reminds me of such and such. And I’m just like, oh. I envy those people who can be like, throw it away, get rid of it. I’m just like, no, it’s like my children, sorry. I don’t have any four legged or two legged children, so my underwear becomes it.

DownUnder Bri:
Well,

UNB Tim:
So

DownUnder Bri:
don’t

UNB Tim:
yeah.

DownUnder Bri:
underestimate the power of someone like Sniffer, where you can potentially make a profit from it.

UNB Tim:
Well, I have looked that up because I did not know about that site, so I won’t

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
be looking into that. So take note people, I get asked every so often where you can sell underwear. There you go. Because there is

DownUnder Bri:
especially if you like it customized.

UNB Tim:
Oh yeah, we know all about, we’ve done many shows about that. And

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
you boys, yeah. Yeah. We won’t go there either because yeah, no.

DownUnder Bri:
Add that to the tangent list.

UNB Tim:
That’s definitely another show. Cause

DownUnder Bri:
Hahaha

UNB Tim:
we’re eventually going to do an only fan show, but you know, it’s just not today. Um, cause you could probably, you would definitely be on it. So we’ll definitely get you on it. But it’s just like, I think there’s, cause I was explaining this to someone the other day about the podcast. Cause they’re like, well, how, you know, how open and quotation marks. can I be? And I’m like, well, you can be as open as you want to and whatever. I mean, we’re not going to be like, oh no, you said penis. Oh no.

DownUnder Bri:
Oh

UNB Tim:
I said,

DownUnder Bri:
no.

UNB Tim:
we have an explicit rating for a reason,

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
you know, and underwear is supposed to be sexy. Underwear is supposed to be

DownUnder Bri:
the

UNB Tim:
fun.

DownUnder Bri:
way hold your penis.

UNB Tim:
And it’s supposed to, you know, show, show off and all these fun things. And I’m like, our audience, I think understands that. enjoys that part of it too, so it’s not like we’re going, oh my god, we’re scandalous, and it’s like, everyone knows. So we have a range of gay, straight, bi, but still everyone feels sexy in their underwear, and you know, we don’t live in monasteries, so you know, we’re gonna have fun in our underwear. Just

DownUnder Bri:
Agreed.

UNB Tim:
saying. So yeah. Um, so you have such an interesting story that just does not go along with my questions, but that’s a good

DownUnder Bri:
Sorry.

UNB Tim:
thing. That’s a good thing though. because it’s so different. And I have to come up with the questions on the fly, which I love doing so.

DownUnder Bri:
As much as I love being a gay stereotype, sometimes it is good to be a bit different.

UNB Tim:
You gotta be different and you can’t have the same questions all the time. It gets, it gets rather boring. So, so do your friends know about your love of underwear and your social media and your

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah, so my friends, I have a pretty sex positive friendship group. Um, and most of them are aware of my social media channels, uh, and my love of underwear and making spicy content based on that underwear as well.

UNB Tim:
Hey.

DownUnder Bri:
So yeah, definitely my friends are open to it and some of them do enjoy that as well. Some of them do participate in doing similar things. We’re posting themselves in, in social media and underwear. Sometimes we do end up doing little photo shoots with each other of like, even we went away over Christmas time, we went down to one of our friends holiday homes. It was a lovely summertime for us in Australia. So we decided, okay, well, you take some pictures of me and I’ll take some pictures of you. This is the best way for us we can display new content for each other. So

UNB Tim:
There you

DownUnder Bri:
we

UNB Tim:
go.

DownUnder Bri:
all know that that’s what we like.

UNB Tim:
That’s good though, because usually most people are like, I gotta set the timer and I’ve gotta do this and I’ve gotta do this, like,

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
no.

DownUnder Bri:
Oh look, don’t underestimate the power of an Apple watch if you do have an iPhone.

UNB Tim:
Oh

DownUnder Bri:
I

UNB Tim:
yes.

DownUnder Bri:
love the actual Apple watch and the viewfinder, so highly recommend that. Thankfully, one of our department stores sells quite cheap tripods and that sort of paraphernalia, so highly recommend that sort of situation.

UNB Tim:
Yeah, because I first started following you because of the spicy content you were

DownUnder Bri:
That’s

UNB Tim:
putting

DownUnder Bri:
right.

UNB Tim:
out, and then I noticed, I’m like, oh, he likes underwear too. Oh, look at this.

DownUnder Bri:
Yes,

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
yeah, look, definitely that’s where it started, you know, being on Instagram, you know, kind of almost when Instagram first came out, probably a couple years after that, that’s when I actually created my own Not Safe For Work channel, having underwear as the flow through to start with, and then moving over to the Twitter for something a bit more explicit.

UNB Tim:
Oh yeah, and now that’s a total train wreck but…

DownUnder Bri:
That’s another

UNB Tim:
have?

DownUnder Bri:
tangent.

UNB Tim:
Well, I’m going on this tangent because

DownUnder Bri:
I feel like there should be a tangent checklist every time, a little ding every time we go on a tangent.

UNB Tim:
But I use social media to get guests and I use Instagram and Twitter mainly and There was someone I wanted to get on the show and I was going to send them a direct message And I went to send them a message going. Oh you have to pay Twitter blue to send this person a message and I’m like, oh fuck no. I am NOT paying you to send a message. No no, no and Instagram this week changed it. You can only send one message to somebody you don’t follow. And it’s just like, you’re making my podcasting much harder, people,

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
because

DownUnder Bri:
Look, I do know the Twitter thing was something that happened recently where the setting was changed and a lot of people

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
aren’t aware. So anyone who is on Twitter slash X that is not aware and wondering why they aren’t getting any messages, check your settings to find out who can actually message you. So the actual default setting at the moment is that you can only be Twitter blue if you, you can only receive messages if you are Twitter blue. Um, so make sure the setting is changed to allow everyone to message you.

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
That’s definitely a setting that they changed without telling anyone.

UNB Tim:
Lovely. Thanks. I won’t say your name. So yeah, so yeah, it’s just like, and that brings up the whole question of, I’ll ask you this question with Twitter being, you know, the dumpster fire it is lately. What other social media sites are you looking to go sort of spread content on and change? Because that’s the biggest issue in underwear right now is Instagram is so you know Victorian and oh my god you showed insert whatever mill balls anatomy and then threads came up, but it’s still Instagram and still has there and You know Who else is out there? I’m trying to think but who else are you experimented with and found have you found it to be? Good for you as opposed to just another site

DownUnder Bri:
Alas, a disappointing answer. One of my mottos in 2021 was, we’re not reinventing the wheel here. I am happy for people to do their own beta testing and then jump on something that turns out to be popular. For example, when Twitter was seemed to be going under and everyone was moving to Mastodon, I was waiting to find out if people actually found it worthwhile. So at the moment, I’m sticking with Instagram and Twitter as my main source of communication to my followers. and have yet to find something that is absolutely perfect than what we need. I agree with regards to threads. Threads is just as restrictive as Instagram.

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
So although I have my profile on there, I’m not posting on there because it’s just the same as Instagram really,

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
with regards to the restrictions. I am waiting to hear back from people with Blue Sky. I know you’re looking to get onto it too.

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
I’m waiting to hear back from my friends that have said that yes, this is the place to go to. Where I’m actually now starting to focus on is TikTok. So two months ago, I ended up joining TikTok to be a content creator rather than just a voyeur like I have been for the

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
last two years. And that’s been actually quite successful in my opinion in relative to my other accounts. I’m getting a good following, I’m getting good feedback on my TikToks. I wish I could say that the TikToks that I’m creating that are me topless wearing some underwear are doing well. But unfortunately, they are my least successful

UNB Tim:
Thank

DownUnder Bri:
TikToks.

UNB Tim:
you very much.

DownUnder Bri:
It seems that, again, like we talked about before, things that I put five seconds of effort into seem to blow

UNB Tim:
Uh

DownUnder Bri:
up

UNB Tim:
huh.

DownUnder Bri:
in my opinion, as opposed to things that I spend two hours filming and editing, they don’t seem to go anywhere. So, but TikTok, I’m really enjoying. And I think the

UNB Tim:
Okay.

DownUnder Bri:
authenticity of TikTok is what people are really liking at the moment. And it does help. funnel to the other channels that you want people to go onto.

UNB Tim:
Yeah, I’m trying to get on Blue Sky. I’ve heard really good things about Blue Sky for just in general of a social media. And then because of their stance on quote unquote adult content is what it was with Twitter. So they’re basically the same. So I’m like, okay, I have high hopes for this. I joined Mastodon. I like Mastodon, but for the general public, it is just too complicated and too… It’s just like, no. In my favorite words, girl, no. Uh-uh. Because I learned how to do it. I’m like, oh, I get it now. And I’m like, but no one else is gonna get this. This is just, you need to be in the tech field to really get this. And I was like, no.

DownUnder Bri:
Exactly. Look, nowadays, because the fact we have so many different platforms to go on, we want to make sure that the user experience is as seamless as possible and

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
as easy as possible for us to adopt to. Like it’s gone in the days of MySpace of having to like, you know, write your own code to actually make something look pretty on your website and stuff like that. Like we literally just want someone to go, plonk, here, this is the one to use, this is the easy taps, three taps, and you’ve posted a dick pic. three taps and you’ve liked a dip pick,

UNB Tim:
Exactly.

DownUnder Bri:
that’s what we want. You know, we don’t want to be out of looking at the codes and stuff like that.

UNB Tim:
You don’t

DownUnder Bri:
As

UNB Tim:
want

DownUnder Bri:
much

UNB Tim:
to have

DownUnder Bri:
as

UNB Tim:
to.

DownUnder Bri:
message on sounds great, it’s, you’re right. I agree that it’s a bit too complicated for the general population.

UNB Tim:
If you’re not on the same server, you have to put in them and their server and da da. Once I learned that I’m like, okay, I get this now, but I’m like, no one else is going to, this is just no moving on. Cause I thought about starting a UNB server for Macedon. I thought, oh, it’s easy to do. It’s not that hard. And then I’m like, well, it’s too much work. It’s work. No, sorry. It’s not bringing me money. Got to go. So

DownUnder Bri:
I mean,

UNB Tim:
yeah.

DownUnder Bri:
literally nowadays people have a seven second attention span. If they don’t get what they want within seven seconds, they’ll move on.

UNB Tim:
Oh yeah, definitely. But that’s my newest thing I’ve taken on is where are we going in social media with underwear and swimwear.

DownUnder Bri:
Exactly. At the moment,

UNB Tim:
It’s a nightmare.

DownUnder Bri:
there isn’t anywhere to go to. We have no good place to go to. And I completely agree.

UNB Tim:
because we’ve had, I know there are several brands that have left uh, Twitter because of all the craziness going on there’s no one to be associated, any of other people and you know, you got the rest of us who are like, we’re kinda stuck there because it’s the only place we can post stuff and not get oh, bad you, we’re deleting your account for the fourth time so yeah, yeah I

DownUnder Bri:
I

UNB Tim:
think,

DownUnder Bri:
hear you.

UNB Tim:
it’s just a nightmare and it’s just Not changing anytime soon, so.

DownUnder Bri:
No. Hooray for

UNB Tim:
Yay.

DownUnder Bri:
capitalism. Ha ha ha.

UNB Tim:
We love everyone in the social media space. Thanks everyone. Cause yeah, it hurts brands and people because you can’t really post your product. And it’s like, cause I went to Vegas two years, actually two years ago today, cause it came up. I saw my giant piece of Emerald Lagasse Banana Cream Pie I ate two years ago today. Oh my god, it was so good. And it was like, I went to seminars and I’m like, we’ll do all this stuff and do lives and do this. And I’m like thinking, that’s good for women’s brands, but for men’s underwear, yeah, no. None of that shit’s gonna work for me, so thanks. So, moving on. But yeah. So let me ask you this. Um, we’ll get a, we’ll get a jumpstart on our Australian show. Um, so who are up and coming Australian brands that you are not necessarily have tried them, but you like what they’re doing and putting out? Are there

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah,

UNB Tim:
any that come

DownUnder Bri:
so…

UNB Tim:
to mind?

DownUnder Bri:
I think Man Crush Apparel is definitely an up and coming brand that I’m really enjoying. Daniel who runs that is a very nice guy and open to getting his brand out there. So I would definitely look at Man Crush. Another one would be King in the Altar. So King in the Altar is by a guy that originally got famous on TikTok. Then he got famous on Twitter, which is a Cinderella story. And then he decided to create his own brand. So I’ve been looking at King and the altar for a while. I have one of their swimwear pieces, which I really enjoy. And I’m looking forward to his next evolution of range that he’s going to be coming out with. A potential unknown brand that, even though it’s been established for a while, I don’t know how well it is, how well known it is in America. is funky trunks. Have you heard

UNB Tim:
I think

DownUnder Bri:
of funky

UNB Tim:
I’ve

DownUnder Bri:
trunks

UNB Tim:
heard

DownUnder Bri:
before?

UNB Tim:
of it, but I haven’t

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
really it sounds familiar, but nothing

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah, so, so Funky Trunks style wise, it is fairly basic. It does appeal to the widest of markets around here, but what does set it apart is its vibrant patterns and its vibrant designs

UNB Tim:
Oh, nice.

DownUnder Bri:
that it does have. So for people out there who are craving those vibrant designs, like of the yesteryear, Funky Trunks is definitely something that I would recommend. I had quite a number of Funky Trunks let’s say about 10 years ago, I was all about the funky trunks because I liked having something vibrant to wear underneath. They both have briefs, they have trunks, they have boxer briefs, they have the longer trunks, and they also do matching swimwear as well. So for a brand, funky trunks is something I would definitely recommend. They also sponsor a lot of the swim teams in Australia as well. So from a swimming point

UNB Tim:
Okay.

DownUnder Bri:
of view, they have very good quality swimwear. And especially again, if you like something that has a lot more vibrancy in its patterns, Funky Trunks is somewhere I would actually recommend and I would definitely be going back to.

UNB Tim:
I will be looking that up. I’ll be looking all of them up. Cause

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah!

UNB Tim:
I haven’t heard, I think I’ve seen Man Crush. I don’t remember. So we’ll talk after this.

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah, it’s

UNB Tim:
But

DownUnder Bri:
alright.

UNB Tim:
it’s one thing we look up, cause that’s one thing I love about Australia is cause you can never know what’s, you know the big ones, of course, you know all the big ones, but you have so many smaller ones that just pop up and have their own little niche market and are doing well in Australia and just. Guys know about them, but the rest of the world needs to know about them. I’m just saying

DownUnder Bri:
Exactly.

UNB Tim:
because what we have

DownUnder Bri:
And look, that’s, that’s the good thing about your blog is the fact that you introduced us to stuff, especially like bulge underwear that, um, or bulge

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

DownUnder Bri:
menswear that, um, you had the podcast recently on. Luke is great. And I’m very much looking forward to seeing what Luke does with his range. Uh, and he has some very good staples in his range. And there’s nothing wrong with being good at basic, as

UNB Tim:
Nope.

DownUnder Bri:
I said. Um, you know, as, as much as we like the Andrew Christians and the petite cues that have a lot of various styles of underwear

UNB Tim:
I know.

DownUnder Bri:
to choose from that aren’t always necessarily, you know, good to wear on an everyday basis.

UNB Tim:
Yes.

DownUnder Bri:
There’s nothing wrong with having some good basic staples like bulge menswear and like man crush to go to, to wear everyday to work.

UNB Tim:
Exactly. And he, he impresses me so much out of that talk, through that podcast. And we talked before and afterwards and I think he’s going to have a brand that’s around a while.

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah,

UNB Tim:
I really do.

DownUnder Bri:
I look forward to hearing his successes.

UNB Tim:
And it’s just like, oh my god, and certain people I talk to where I go, you know what you’re doing. You have really sat down, you have really talked to people, you took the business side, you know what’s going on, okay good. And other people that I’ve dealt with over the years where it’s like, oh no, you’re not gonna make it baby, sorry, but…

DownUnder Bri:
don’t tell that to their face.

UNB Tim:
Well, you try to steer them to people who will guide them better. is normally what I do. I was like, hey, you need to talk to so and so at this brand or so and so at this brand. You know, because the underwear market in general is a very open place. People talk. It’s very friendly. It’s not like, oh, there are only certain people in the underwear community that people don’t like. And you do not pay enough to get me to tell those stories. Uh, so yes, if you want to Patreon me quite a bit of money, I will, I will tell those stories, but you’re not paying me enough. Um,

DownUnder Bri:
You

UNB Tim:
so I know all the, I know all the drama. Um, but yeah, it’s like, but they will help everyone out. The best thing that happens is like all the brands used to come to Vegas because you’d have like two aros from Australia and you would have cock socks and you would have, uh, the teammate would come. and then you would have the American brands go. And you would have, you know, at the end of the week, usually, I think it’s three days, by the third day, all the buyers are out either going home or having fun in the city and skipping the rest of the conference. And you see like strange brands talking together. And you’re like, wait a minute, someone’s talking to some, what? And you have all these people going and they’re talking about. their stuff and what they’re doing and like some of the problems they’ve had and they share so it’s really cool industry. I did not know that before many years ago getting into this industry with the blog that it was so friendly and so open and so accepting of people that it’s like that’s really good. I’m so happy.

DownUnder Bri:
That is great to hear. Look, there’s definitely room for everyone. I don’t think that the market is over-saturated yet.

UNB Tim:
Mm-mm.

DownUnder Bri:
There’s definitely a good range out there worldwide.

UNB Tim:
Until we have men’s underwear stores in every city in this country, I would like a Victoria’s Secret. Yeah, no, we’re not oversaturated because we’ve got several in this city alone and I’m like we got one men’s underwear store so yeah, get on it people. So yeah, so we’ll wrap it up there. It’s a good place to wrap it up. We’ll have you back on hopefully soon and many more times because That market just astounds me.

DownUnder Bri:
Yeah, there’s definitely lots to choose from here.

UNB Tim:
I know when I come visit, I will just have to order lots of stuff while I’m there and then have an extra suitcase going home. I’ve already determined and I’m just like, they’re like, did you buy anything? No, well, what’s this suitcase full of underwear? I took it when I went.

DownUnder Bri:
souvenirs?

UNB Tim:
But don’t give me, oh, Border Patrol, oh, TV show. Don’t get me started on that, oh. I love your version. We’ll talk after this. So tell everyone where they can find you on social media.

DownUnder Bri:
Yep, on all these social media channels, I am Down Under Bri, so B-R-I. You can find me on Instagram, I’m on Twitter, I’m on TikTok, I’m on Squirt, I’m on BBRT, I’m on pretty much any channel you can think of, you’ll find me under Down Under Bri. As well as all the Spiceo channels, feel free to have a look at that as well. Plenty of options to choose from.

UNB Tim:
Whether you want mild or spicy, he’s got you covered. So

DownUnder Bri:
Exactly.

UNB Tim:
go check him

DownUnder Bri:
Well, look,

UNB Tim:
out.

DownUnder Bri:
I am the whitest of white, so I am pretty mild. There’s definitely ways that

UNB Tim:
But

DownUnder Bri:
I can get spicy.

UNB Tim:
so he can get wild.

DownUnder Bri:
Hahaha!

UNB Tim:
So nothing wrong with that. Have fun with that, I say. OK, now to our announcement. OK, so we’re trying to get to 20 in general. Patreon people, right? You know, I’ve been talking about this for months. We’re almost there. Well, I’ve got something new coming up for you people, but you have to get to 30 Patreon people. And we will start doing a review show. So everyone is gonna have at least three guys on it, different ages, different sexualities, different sizes, all getting the same underwear and discussing that underwear. So it’s a review show of, you know, it’s not just one person’s opinion, you’re gonna get at least three people’s opinion on this pair.

DownUnder Bri:
I love that so much. It sounds like a book club but for underwear.

UNB Tim:
It’s underwear and you will and Patreon members will get to help us choose what pairs we buy. And hopefully we’ll get our Australian going and we can do an Australian version and hopefully snack some free underwear. Um,

DownUnder Bri:
Bring it on.

UNB Tim:
but hopefully, but that’s my new thing. Uh, so we’ve been in the works for a little while. We haven’t, we’re trying to do a test show now and well. We thought we had a brand to do it and they sent us, I told them, send us exactly the same pairs. You’re sending us. And they did not. So yeah, so we’re trying to retool. We’re gonna figure out. But this is what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna have an underwear review show because I know you got boys love reviews. And if you hear three people talking about a pair, you’re gonna get a well-rounded opinion. So that’s our goal. That’s what we plan to do. But you got to get to 30 people on Patreon before we will do it because we’re probably going to have to buy a lot of the pairs of underwear. And as all you know, underwear is not cheap. Even if I own a store, it’s not cheap. But according to the US, I can’t be on the shows that if I supply the underwear. So, you know, it’s kind of a conflict of interest. So I can host it, but I can’t, you know, participate. But, you know. So, and Brian can come on, Brian can come on with us and do Australian or American brands. We may send our Aussie boys US brands. They may not have tried before because

DownUnder Bri:
That’d be

UNB Tim:
of

DownUnder Bri:
exciting.

UNB Tim:
the shipping and get their point of views on it. So there’s many things we can do with this, but all of you gotta step up people, join the Patreon and do it. So, yay. So,

DownUnder Bri:
Do

UNB Tim:
all

DownUnder Bri:
it.

UNB Tim:
right, do it. So that’s our thing. Enjoy people. We will have a new podcast soon. Sorry, there wasn’t one last week, but technical issues and then, you know, scheduling is hard. So you’ll just have to go every so often in weeks without a podcast, sorry, but not more than usually once. So yay. All right, everyone, have a great week and we’ll have a podcast soon for you. Bye.

DownUnder Bri:
Bye!

I am joined by the Crimson Ginger on this edition of the Brief Talk Podcast. You may have seen him on IG or Twitter showing off his love of underwear. He talks about what got him into underwear and that he still has those first pairs he bought! Which is rare among underwear guys. He then tells us about the different styles he loves and why he loves underwear. Just like me, he can’t stand BOXERS, for you boxer guys out there.

This was an amazing conversation I think you guys are going to love, it’s a longer podcast but the conversation will make it seme like a much shorter podcast. Go follow him at:

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The podcast episode features a conversation between UNB Tim and the creators of the film “All Man,” Jesse Finley-Reed and Brian Darling. They discuss the significance of the international mail catalogs and their impact on the gay community and society at large. The filmmakers explore the themes of masculinity, self-expression, and non-conformity through the lens of the underwear industry. They touch on the cultural and historical context of the catalogs, including the AIDS crisis and the changing ideals of masculinity. The conversation delves into the allure of international mail, the experiences of the models and customers, and the continued relevance of underwear as a form of personal expression.

They mention the unexpected aspects of the film, such as delving into the behind-the-scenes stories and the catalog’s cultural impact. They express their pride in creating a film that goes beyond expectations and resonates with viewers. The conversation touches on the nostalgia and uniqueness of International Male in a pre-internet era. They also highlight the personal stories shared by audience members and the emotional connection people have with the catalog. Bryan and Jesse emphasize the significance of holding a physical catalog and the enduring appeal of print media. They invite listeners to watch the film and support it through ratings, and they express their preference for leaving viewers wanting more rather than being disappointed. The conversation concludes with gratitude and a recommendation for everyone to watch the film.

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TRANSCRIPT

UNB Tim:
Hey everyone, welcome to another edition of the Reef Talk Podcast. We have two really cool people on today who have done something amazing. Uh, we have Jesse Finley-Reed and Brian Darling, who you may not know, did the all-man movie about international mail. Welcome guys.

Bryan:
Thank you.

Jesse:
Thank you. Thank

Bryan:
It’s

Jesse:
you

Bryan:
good

Jesse:
so

Bryan:
to

Jesse:
much

Bryan:
be

Jesse:
for

Bryan:
here.

Jesse:
having us.

Bryan:
We

UNB Tim:
It’s-

Bryan:
love talking about international mail and underwear.

UNB Tim:
Well, you’re on the right podcast.

Bryan:
Hahaha.

UNB Tim:
So we definitely, this is, we’re all about underwear. We talk everything underwear, masculinity, everything. You name it, we do it on this podcast. So

Jesse:
It’s Write Up

UNB Tim:
when

Jesse:
International

UNB Tim:
I saw the film,

Jesse:
Males, oh sorry, Write Up International Males Alley.

UNB Tim:
Exactly. And when I saw the movie coming out, I was like, I’ve got to get you on the podcast to talk. And I saw the movie this month and liked it a lot. And I was telling you before the show, I think you could have made an entire series about international mail. Cause there is so much to cover and so much to do about international mail, because it is so iconic that it left me wanting more when I’m the movie I’m like, I want to hear more of this and this and this and this and this, but

Bryan:
I know it goes by so quick in 80 minutes or 85 minutes. We, at one point we were, we talked about a series. I mean, there was all kinds of ideas

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
of stuff, you know?

UNB Tim:
It’s just crazy

Jesse:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
because it’s so iconic in the gay world and in the straight world as you pointed out That it was a time before the internet before Everything and you got the catalogs in the mail and you got to see all this really interesting stuff that you couldn’t get anywhere else and It was it was just amazing back in the day. So our listeners who were younger who never got to experience it. I’m sorry, but it was amazing.

Jesse:
Well yeah, and it’s what makes

UNB Tim:
So,

Jesse:
the pre-internet

UNB Tim:
so.

Jesse:
world… Oh, sorry. I think there might be a delay with me,

UNB Tim:
Oh,

Jesse:
I’m

UNB Tim:
go ahead.

Jesse:
sorry. Is there?

UNB Tim:
Oh, you’re fine.

Jesse:
Okay.

UNB Tim:
I don’t see one, but it probably is. But we’ll get around

Jesse:
I think

UNB Tim:
it.

Jesse:
that that’s what’s so amazing about it because I was one of the little boys who got it in the mail or teenage teenagers got it in the mail and it was this sort of window into this world that I didn’t really see in the world around me where men were living these sort of fantastic lives and wearing boundary pushing clothing and it It felt both provocative and safe at the same time to look which I think as

UNB Tim:
guess.

Jesse:
a young queer person was really important, especially at that time. It was the eighties and, you know, it was the AIDS crisis and Reaganism and all of that. And here was this thing where none of that seemed to matter.

UNB Tim:
Yeah, that’s so what made you guys tackle international mail? What made you want to take on this subject?

Bryan:
It was a really, it was just complete happenstance. Jesse and I were working on another project at the time dealing with growing up during the age of AIDS. And while we were working on that project, he came across some magazines and I’ll let him tell that story to you specifically. But basically, you know, he brought these catalogs, magazines catalogs, yeah, to to me to show me. And I was really shocked when I saw them, just in the sense that, wow, I’ve never seen anything like this before, you know, in fashion, like in the sense of what you could, what you had access to, what you could buy and how the images were put together and how editorial it was, yet it was a catalog. I was like, wow, what is this? How have I never seen this? And what’s, you know, what’s the story behind this? And initially, you know, we were going to do a short film about how it, you know, how the affinity that gay men had for it and, you know, used to jerk off to it and what it meant to them. And, you know, like a fun short film for us to do while we were working on this other film, this larger film. And it very quickly, I mean, really very quickly became apparent that there was a much larger story here and a much deeper. story to explore and uncover. But it all started when Jesse was at work one day.

Jesse:
Yeah,

UNB Tim:
Nice.

Jesse:
and a colleague was moving on to another position and someone had jokingly given him these international mail catalogs and they were in his recycling bin. And I picked them up in his office and I held them close to my heart and I said, oh my god, these meant so much to me. It was funny

UNB Tim:
I’m sorry.

Jesse:
all these years later, seeing some of the issues that I recall receiving. and remembering the sequence of images, you know, again, this pre-internet world where you really held on to certain things that were valuable to you, where you could find, you know, not a word that I would use at the time, like representation that was somehow different

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
from what we saw everywhere else. And as Brian said, it was gonna be this funny little film until it became a story about so much more. And that really excited us both, because I think it’s great to take something often written off as like camp or saccharin or not so important and use it to really dive into some much deeper issues culturally. And I think that’s what works so beautifully about the film and its history. I mean, the catalog and its history, excuse me, is that

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
it… It overlaps with these trends, these movements, these cultural moments in our society, where we’re being pushed forward, being pulled back, it all depends, but it fits in very well.

UNB Tim:
Yes. Because the catalog itself was something amazing back in the day because coming out in the 80s, it was like, what is this? What? We have this? Oh my goodness. Where has this been? This is amazing. And I’ve told the story on the podcast many times. I had the international mail credit card back in the day

Jesse:
Thanks for watching.

UNB Tim:
with the $200 limit and

Bryan:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
just thought I was just on top of the world, it’s like, you know what I can buy for $200? Oh my God, goodness. When I was in college, so it was like, Oh my God. So yes,

Jesse:
Glamorous,

UNB Tim:
it was.

Jesse:
glamorous. See, we’re

UNB Tim:
It

Jesse:
living

UNB Tim:
was

Jesse:
an international life at your college.

UNB Tim:
exactly that $200

Bryan:
Hahaha

UNB Tim:
got me there. I was like, yes. Uh, so yeah.

Bryan:
When we found out about the credit card, I remember like, wow, what didn’t they have? It was

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
like, wow, very smart. I think at one point in time, we were told also they had like a magazine caddy that they

UNB Tim:
Oh,

Bryan:
had made

UNB Tim:
wow.

Bryan:
for it

Jesse:
Yes,

Bryan:
as well

Jesse:
I’ve actually

Bryan:
that

Jesse:
seen

Bryan:
you could

Jesse:
it.

Bryan:
put somewhere for your international mail.

UNB Tim:
Oh wow, wow.

Jesse:
Yes, it’s in

UNB Tim:
I

Jesse:
loose

UNB Tim:
remember

Jesse:
site.

UNB Tim:
I used to have him for…

Jesse:
It’s a clear loose site

Bryan:
Yeah.

Jesse:
catalog holder that I saw at Gloria Tomita’s house, actually.

Bryan:
I say you should put an eBay alert on that one for that. That’s a good collector’s item to have.

UNB Tim:
I was supposed to say that is something I did not even know they did. It’s just, oh my goodness, that’s crazy. But yeah, because people used to display them when you would meet people and go over to friends’ houses, they’d be on the coffee table as, look, I get international mail, I get under gear. Here it is. So

Jesse:
Well,

UNB Tim:
it

Jesse:
yeah.

UNB Tim:
wasn’t just something you just like. Oh, go

Jesse:
Oh,

UNB Tim:
ahead.

Jesse:
and it’s, no, I’m sorry. I think there’s a delay with me, but yeah, it’s something coded that you could have out on the copy table. You could have that and it would be an indication of perhaps your taste in clothing or perhaps your taste in more than clothing sort

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Jesse:
of on display.

UNB Tim:
Yes, very much so. It was just crazy. And one part I really liked about the movie was you had the phone salespeople because I tell people before you could either fill out the order form in it and mail it in or you could call an order and people are just blown away especially younger that you had to actually call someone and talk to someone. about this and to hear one of the people who did it, it was just so fun and so good to hear. Yes, I want the whatever jockstrap and this and da da. But yeah, I love that part because it brings back memories of me calling up so many times.

Bryan:
Did you have, do you remember any of your conversations with any of the phone salespeople?

UNB Tim:
Not a lot.

Bryan:
So you weren’t one of those flirty, flirty callers.

UNB Tim:
No, I was re I was 19 18 19 20. So I was just like, it was already calling up about all the fun stuff I wanted to order and it was just like, Oh my goodness. So it

Bryan:
Because

UNB Tim:
was

Bryan:
I asked to because not just for the flirty parts, that’s always fun, but something that didn’t make it in the film was Dion, the phone sales

UNB Tim:
I love you.

Bryan:
operator who’s in the film, when we did our interview, he brought with him some index cards to show us that he had kept that were customer cards. They would keep notes on their customers, like lives in Chicago, banker, traveled so and such, likes this item or that item. They would make notes about, so when they called, they could be reminded, refreshed and have conversations. They were always trying to have like sort of real conversations with people and of interest and talk about, things going on in life at the time. So I was just curious if you experienced any of that, just because it’s such a neat thing to see and I wish we could have gotten it in the film, but yeah, there was that. And then also people who bought from the store or bought from the catalog would also send in photos.

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
This is something we weren’t able to put into the film and… They would send photos of themselves, like Polaroids or photo prints made of them in underwear with ideas of an underwear that they could

UNB Tim:
Oh,

Bryan:
come

UNB Tim:
man.

Bryan:
out with or how they would be a great model. Or certain phone operators also would have relationships with some of these guys as well.

UNB Tim:
Yeah, that’s one thing that really I was not expecting in the film since I came of age during that time as we were talking about the people who had the customers and they all started dying with the AIDS in the 80s. And I’m just like, Oh, I remember that so vividly growing up in that time and coming out that I’m like, yeah. And I think it shocked. I know some people who saw it and were like, what? I’m like, yeah, you don’t remember the AIDS crisis. And, you know, we didn’t have internet, so you wouldn’t find out. So and so passed away like. months beforehand and I was like yeah it struck gay businesses too so yeah

Bryan:
Definitely.

UNB Tim:
So that was good to see in there too. It was like, teaching people about history. I was like very happy. So what was one of you guys favorite things about making the movie that you either learned or happened or discovered about international male while you were making.

Jesse:
I think that the most shocking thing that I discovered, because I of course approach this as a gay kid who had gotten it, I think when we learned about the actual demographics of people who were buying the clothes, it was pretty surprising to me that, it totally makes sense in retrospect because the common thing that gay men say is like, oh, I never bought anything, but I kept getting it. you know, the fact that women, you know, desired these clothes for the men in their lives and sort of acted on that. And a lot of men desired those clothes to act on it. That was pretty surprising because here I had thought that this was a special thing just for me. Like this was like the

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
special catalog made for young gay boys like me. And I think the other thing that happened really early on, you know, when it became a much larger film, was feeling welcomed into this family of people who all

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
spoke about how much they cared about this job and family, you know, this chosen family, if you will, way before we had the phrase chosen family, and how much it sort of supported them and built them up. And Often people say it was like the best job they ever had. And that was for

UNB Tim:
Nice.

Jesse:
not just the models or not just the sales staff. It was sort of like everyone felt that way. So we felt, I felt very shepherded into this family by everyone.

UNB Tim:
Nice. Yeah, that came through on the screen that they felt like a family and they were very close to each other while working there and probably many of them kept in touch afterwards. But yeah, that came through in the film. So that was awesome.

Bryan:
Yeah, I think one of the interesting things for me during the process was talking to the models and kind of getting an understanding of like, why did they go into modeling?

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
And also, when did they become sort of aware of their bodies and worked on their bodies and why did they do that? And again, it was something that we couldn’t get all this into the film fully. Because initially when we were starting to make the film, we were really, we were really wanting to explore heavily, you know, masculinity. What is masculinity?

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
How do men find masculinity? You know, and how does sort of the definition and expression of masculinity change, you know, over, over time for, for these men? And And one of the interesting things was that a lot of the models were from small towns.

UNB Tim:
Thank you.

Bryan:
And their experience of becoming a model opened up their entire world perspective. They may have come from small towns that if you were gay, you were a fag, or it was

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
a very obviously negative thing that no one wanted to be. And And of course, then it was like also a sickness and all these various things. So what was interesting is by them becoming models and going into the modeling world and being exposed to so many different people, a lot of gay men are in the fashion industry and then also traveling the world. And it really opened up their minds and their perspectives and their realities as they were becoming, you know, were young adults in their early 20s. I thought that was really interesting to see and to hear. For them, modeling oftentimes was an escape, a way to escape the town and the life that they were having in their adolescence and young adult lives, a way to escape that and go on to something. they realized that the attention they got from

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
having a body, and seeing attention that, basically seeing attention that other men were receiving for having that muscle built body, which at the time in the 80s, in late 70s and 80s, this was like a new thing coming in. Prior to that, it was more about being skinny, but you just always had the body building. world, but it was more obscure, if that makes sense.

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
So what’s interesting is when they noticed that there was a tension that could be gotten from having a body, they focused on developing their bodies in a way of becoming the muscular athletic way in which we see them in the catalog. And then also, That’s not to take away the fact that they weren’t athletes. A lot of these models coming in the 80s were actual athletes that were these

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
bodies because the modeling industry at the time, guys with muscles was not the look in fashion.

UNB Tim:
guest.

Bryan:
And it was very hard for, they were called body models who mostly did like sportswear and gym wear kind of things. So that all really changed in the mid 80s. And so I just found that aspect of it really interesting because in a certain way, making this film, whenever you’re a documentary filmmaker, hopefully, you’re learning as well. Like you’re uncovering something

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
about not only the topic, but something about yourself. And hopefully that’s also reflected in the film. And so for me, it’s like, yeah, what is masculinity? These days we talk about it being toxic, you know. but how do we get our masculinity? How do we define it? How does it change? And what are good role models of masculinity? And that was

UNB Tim:
Okay.

Bryan:
what I found really fascinating and interesting and kind of thinking also about myself and my own identity as that related.

UNB Tim:
Nice. Yeah, that’s the film carries over is the underwear industry as a total today because Like you were saying Jesse you were surprised that the makeup of the customers even today we have Straight guys who love underwear coming out more bisexual guys gay guys, so it’s not just Gay guys doing underwear and that’s one reason our podcast has done so well as we talk to all these different ones and then we talk about what is masculinity is like wearing a thong doesn’t make you any less masculine than not wearing one so it’s these conversations are still going on today that you discovered from the 80s and on so that’s kind of cool that they’re still in some ways cool but other ways just like you think we’d be past the masculinity thing but that’s always a thing

Jesse:
Well,

UNB Tim:
but yeah

Jesse:
I think the masculinity thing, I just wanted to say though, before I go into that, is that I think that underwear fits really well into this idea of safe expression because it’s something that you have

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
underneath your clothes, your outer clothes, so you can really be taking a risk with underwear. I think that’s why, you know, just… guessing because you know, of course data isn’t the same from back then as we have now But I think that’s what made

UNB Tim:
Yeah.

Jesse:
the underwear so popular was like, oh I can wear this like Fandoshi Japanese wrap under my three-piece suit and get away with it and

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
there’s something like a really erotic about that I think the film Really chronicles this sort of Masculinity that’s taking place And if you look at the very early catalogs from the 70s, you see, I’d say, a much less muscular, less athletic guy. And as the catalog evolved and they saw what sold, it was this really brilliant marketing strategy of taking these sort of

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
archetypes of masculinity, like the Brian Bazzini’s or David Knight’s, and putting them in this boundary pushing clothes. because it’s in a way made it safe for viewers. I could

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Jesse:
project my erotic desire on it. A young trendy guy wanting to look hip and cool could say I wanna dress like Don Johnson or their wife or partner, female partner could say, I want them to look like Fabio and here’s a catalog for it. I think where the film ends is something both Brian and I were really excited by about like sort of ending it in the TikTok world where everyone

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
can sort of represent themselves. And I think as far as we’ve come, I think the problem, or I think the complication of masculinity is we still eroticize as a culture, broadly speaking, a very specific kind of masculinity.

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Jesse:
And I think still, that men who choose, you know, there’s a lot of athletes at the very, very end of the film wearing this sort of outrageous clothes, but they sort of have this privileged body already. And what does it mean for us as a culture? And I think the beautiful thing about these various movements that we’re in or coming out of or dealing with, like the Women’s Movement, the Black Lives Matter, Trans Lives Matter, is like, it’s an opportunity to sort of be critical of masculinity. It’s also a question to Brian’s point of like, what does that masculinity look like now? Like,

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Jesse:
what, what is it? Because obviously capitalism responds to what people want. If no one desired these erotic action figure movies, they wouldn’t make them. But instead we desire those things, so we make more of them, and the actors that are hired for them have nutritionists and go to the gym seven days a week and, you know, sculpt this body. But yeah, that’s the complication of now that I throw it out to the world to try to help figure out, you know, what is non-toxic masculinity?

UNB Tim:
That’s a

Bryan:
Well,

UNB Tim:
good question.

Bryan:
the thing to add to this too is, you know, when you’re, as Jesse’s alluding to with like movies and such and these superhero movies and like Kumail Nanjiani is a great example of, you know, from nerd to superhero.

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
And I think also would think to understand it’s a global situation. It’s not just in the United States. of media and representation are not meant just for the United States, right? So they’re a basic sort of appealing level or something that is now people around the globe are appealing. And you can see it in the expression that young people in different countries take on to have that very like strong athletic superhero look. But something to it that I think is important that doesn’t get talked as much about You know, we use words like with underwear, we use words like, you know, erotic to feel erotic or is

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
erotic. And, and what happens is we have this tendency to, to basically interchange sexuality with, with masculinity.

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
Like they’re, they’re so intertwined in this way that I think oftentimes when people are talking about masculinity. in my opinion, oftentimes they’re talking about sexuality. They are connected, but we’re talking about male sexuality. Whenever you say male sexuality, most people think of sexual orientation.

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Bryan:
This is a problem because to me, and something I said while we were making this film is that this is a film that explores masculinity and male sexuality. Male sexuality has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It’s a similar thing to where in the transgender world, a lot of people in discussing these things are taking gender and sexuality and looking at that as the same kind of thing. And I think when we talk about masculinity, you know, with men, I think it’s important to frame it in that way and to frame it in sort of a different way, which is, you know, what we’re saying is, if you wear this underwear, and it is erotic or looks erotic, then that can’t be masculine. That’s

UNB Tim:
Yeah.

Bryan:
how I interpret that. And I find that so interesting because there’s also a lot of men who are like, screw that, they don’t have any problems with it. Straight men,

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
you know, totally, they’ve taken a page from gay men and have seen the kind of attention and that has brought and they want that too. And so they will express themselves in an erotic way. Because to me, men expressing their sexuality, their erotic, their eroticness, whatever you wanna call it, is just a form of expression and a powerful thing that to me doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with whether a person is masculine or not.

UNB Tim:
Yes. Because I think you pointed out so well in the film is guys who looked, you know, quote unquote masculine are wearing these clothes and being feeling sexual or being sexualized, basically, because our society goes, you can sexualize women all you want to, but you can’t sexualize a man. No,

Bryan:
Well, it’s

UNB Tim:
no,

Bryan:
because

UNB Tim:
no.

Bryan:
it’s men who are doing this

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Bryan:
and men who are looking at it.

UNB Tim:
Exactly.

Jesse:
Well, and it’s also a threat to masculinity itself, because masculinity only sort of survives by belittling or labeling other things other.

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Jesse:
I think that that’s how masculinity sort of maintains itself. It’s really fascinating. I don’t feel I can speak about it with any sort of confidence, but. There’s a whole section of academic research that uses this idea of it’s called the masculine box and about the sort of limitations and privileges that are carried with sort of masculine self-expression and how it sort of, anything that doesn’t sort of support masculinity is seen as other or weak or effeminate or any other

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Jesse:
whole host of other words. But it’s very limiting. at the same time. And I

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
think that international mail is playing with the bounds of this. I think we as a culture

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Jesse:
are playing with bounds of this. I think from RuPaul to academic Judith Butler, we’re really conscious that all these sort of accoutrements we wear, these clothes, it’s all a form of drag to borrow

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
of RuPaulism. which actually was coined by someone else, but I can’t cite that person, unfortunately.

UNB Tim:
Bye.

Jesse:
But this idea that we put on these clothes and we become something, we become Harrison Ford, we become Indiana Jones, we become Fabio. I mean, that’s so American, our imagination

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
of sort of projecting ourselves into these clothes and into these. sort of lifestyles. Like, it’s so wonderful when you look back at the 80s and you find an old nightclub footage and everyone’s

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Jesse:
sort of aspiring to be this dynasty-like character, so to speak, you know? And it’s about, it’s very American to me in a really wonderful way that we’re so informed by the world we see represented around us.

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Bryan:
I think the catalog, sorry, I just want to add one thing to this because it’s such an interesting conversation. I think when it comes to the catalog and what we’re really kind of talking about here, we’re talking about nonconformity, right? Because

UNB Tim:
in there.

Bryan:
if you think about it, when we’re talking about masculinity, I mean, masculinity technically can be kind of anything,

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Bryan:
but when we speak of it, we’re still using the way in which we assume is sort of this traditional. conservative standard type of masculinity that’s been around for a long time. But really what all this is, is about conformity. And in turn it’s like, okay, if you look this way, be this way, it’s all a way to conform and find an easy way to get through the society and to not stand out. And if anything, international male was really trying to push this idea that you don’t have to conform. That you… you don’t need to be like everybody else. And here’s a way that you can express yourselves in varying ways and to stand out. And I think that’s what makes it so awesome. I think that’s why it still stands the test of time. No matter what it is, we still, conformity probably will always be there in some fashion, but. I think that’s why it still lands today and people are amazed by it because it’s just so expressive and non-conformist.

UNB Tim:
Yes. And I think with underwear, like you said, that guys can wear whatever they want to under their suit. It gives them a little more expression of who they want to be. And they maybe cannot wear the clothes they want to wear, do things. They’re in a small town, but you could wear pink underwear. You could wear something crazy and no one knows. So it gives you a little bit of expression. And we’ve talked to many of our listeners and readers that it gives them a little bit more confidence wearing something like, you know, a pink jock under a blue power suit when they give a presentation. So I think that plays a part into why underwear is so important to people, gay, straight, bi, trans, whatever. It adds something to your personality that you sometimes can’t show in public. So I think that’s one of the… the biggest bonuses of international mail in general too.

Bryan:
probably why their underwear section was the largest and best selling

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Bryan:
section of the catalog.

UNB Tim:
That was my gateway drug into everything. Because it was like, oh my goodness. I must have everything. I want all this page. Yes. Every color.

Bryan:
Yeah, they have some amazing underwear. I have to say, like, it’s just like, wow, that’s, yeah.

UNB Tim:
I still have some that

Jesse:
Wow.

UNB Tim:
I can still wear. And I found one of the latest collect, well, one of the, right before they closed, probably in the early 2010s, some that are unopened. And I’m like, oh no, this is like a museum piece now. Cause I can’t

Bryan:
Hahaha!

UNB Tim:
get rid of

Jesse:
That’s great to know

UNB Tim:
this.

Jesse:
that you have these things because sometimes we get asked about doing an extension and I’m like, well, so much of it was spandex, so it didn’t really last. But,

UNB Tim:
Oh yes,

Jesse:
but, but

UNB Tim:
I

Jesse:
yeah,

UNB Tim:
have

Jesse:
that’s

UNB Tim:
to find them.

Jesse:
Those are collectible.

UNB Tim:
And I have an international… No, not international, undergear beach ball somewhere around here. So,

Bryan:
Yeah,

UNB Tim:
yes.

Bryan:
we were able to handle the original Jock Sock.

UNB Tim:
Oh wow.

Bryan:
There’s one, Gloria has the original sample that was used. And it’s in extremely excellent condition, surprisingly enough. And it’s actually when you watch the film, there’s a section where they talk about the Jock Sock and show

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
it on this sort of mannequin model. That’s the actual real jock-sock we slipped onto a mannequin

Jesse:
Yeah, the prototype.

Bryan:
to do it. So there’s, it’s impossible to find. We’ve never seen one. I have, I have, uh, you know, eBay alerts,

UNB Tim:
I owned,

Bryan:
but

UNB Tim:
I’m gonna have to dig through my drawers, through everything, because I had several of them, and I’m gonna have to see if I can find one now.

Jesse:
That’s

UNB Tim:
I have

Jesse:
so

UNB Tim:
some stuff

Jesse:
good.

UNB Tim:
in storage that I didn’t wanna get rid of, because

Bryan:
Hehehe

UNB Tim:
as we get older, we grow horizontally in that dollar. And there’s just certain pairs that I didn’t wanna give away, and I knew that’s gonna be in something. So you’re gonna have me hitting on my… now to find the Jocsoc, because I had two or three of them. So

Bryan:
Okay.

UNB Tim:
if I find

Jesse:
Yeah,

UNB Tim:
them, I will…

Jesse:
if you ever find yourself needing to get rid of them, feel free to mail them

Bryan:
Ah!

Jesse:
to me, and

UNB Tim:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Jesse:
I will

Bryan:
Hehehehehehehehe

Jesse:
add them to my international mail archive of things.

UNB Tim:
It’s crazy. I do have one question for you if you found this out, because this has been just like gnawing at me since they closed. Do you know if they even created an archive of all the old catalogs? Anyone?

Jesse:
They did not, to our knowledge,

Bryan:
I mean, we

Jesse:
they

Bryan:
don’t

Jesse:
have,

Bryan:
know.

Jesse:
we don’t know, but

Bryan:
We, yeah, I mean.

UNB Tim:
Ah, because that’s.

Jesse:
The people who own it aren’t very forthcoming. However, I will say that archives have collected all the catalogs.

Bryan:
The one

Jesse:
The other

Bryan:
archive has a collection

UNB Tim:
Okay, good.

Jesse:
one archive in

Bryan:
in LA.

Jesse:
Los Angeles at USC

UNB Tim:
Awesome.

Jesse:
has one full collection. We have a lot of them now, not an exhaustive collection. There’s also… a website called Tim in Vermont, which was a really fantastic resource. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with it,

UNB Tim:
Uh-uh.

Jesse:
but he has cat

Bryan:
You

Jesse:
or

Bryan:
will be

Jesse:
they,

Bryan:
now.

Jesse:
they have catalog. I’m not sure what they, what, how big of an enterprise it is, but they have cataloged everything from international mail and under gear to physique pictorial to old, you know, of physique films. And they’re all low resolution scans, which is, you know, I wish they were higher res, but

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
that site ended up becoming so helpful for us in terms

Bryan:
we

Jesse:
of

Bryan:
were downloading the entire site.

Jesse:
Yeah, like

Bryan:
At

Jesse:
place.

Bryan:
a

UNB Tim:
Hahaha.

Bryan:
certain point, we had to call him because we were just literally downloading everything they had.

Jesse:
Yeah, I had a

UNB Tim:
That’s awesome.

Jesse:
really lovely conversation with him about it. I was like, I know you said the limit of the downloads, but, and I just told him the whole story and he was like, oh no, you can download it all, it’s fine. But,

UNB Tim:
Nice.

Jesse:
yeah.

UNB Tim:
Yeah, because that’s something I think should live on, because there’s so many people coming up now who don’t know about it or haven’t seen it, and they see snippets. So it would be cool if one of them did a higher resolution scan and put it online. But that’s just me

Bryan:
Yeah, I think

UNB Tim:
being

Bryan:
we,

UNB Tim:
nostalgic.

Bryan:
well, you know, archives, archives don’t have the resources. That’s the one

UNB Tim:
true.

Bryan:
thing. Cause we, we were trying to like, you know, we, we need to fill out some of our, our stuff with, with some others. And, uh, but you know, for them, it’s like, I forget how much, was it like a dollar a scan or was it more than that? Jess.

Jesse:
Oh no, yeah, it was much higher than that for,

Bryan:
Okay, yeah.

Jesse:
like a proper archivist to make a scan for.

Bryan:
Yeah, because they won’t let you do

UNB Tim:
Ugh.

Bryan:
it. It has to be their staff and it takes a long time. It takes time. It’s very

UNB Tim:
Yeah.

Bryan:
expensive. So it was better for us to just buy up as many of these catalogs as we could. And I was watching while we were making the movie, I was watching the prices of these things on eBay go up,

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
the early ones from the 70s or ones. And I was watching them disappear more. like over the

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Bryan:
course of a couple of years, there used to be quite a bit. And then by the end, it was like one here, one there instead of these collections. We got several of them, including the very first one. But

Jesse:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
that’s the hardest. Those were, and luckily they were in really good condition, the ones that we got. Other ones that we got were given to us on loan from staff, which One of the things that was wonderful about that is, you know, the catalogs are one thing, and those are in some ways much more accessible. The stuff that nobody had access to, and that’s more of an issue for preservation, is all of the actual assets, like the materials in which they used to make the catalog. So

UNB Tim:
Oh, yeah.

Bryan:
we were given like layout page, like they would make these layouts using Polaroids and sketches of like fake pages. to kind of decide their layout and how they would shoot the clothing and lay out the catalog. And then also a lot of the art directors kept their film from the shoots.

UNB Tim:
Oh wow.

Bryan:
So we had access to a lot of large medium, what are called medium format, chromes that were all original camera stuff that we scanned very high resolution. And there was much more stuff that we got. And I think a lot of snapshots, various things. And I think one thing going forward, I hope is that eventually we can make sure that these materials that all these people have will eventually go into an archive somewhere to preserve the history of the catalog

UNB Tim:
awesome.

Bryan:
in general. But those were the really fun things to get a look at, was this inside world. when we got a videotape of the commercials they made in the 90s.

UNB Tim:
Oh.

Bryan:
And it was like, wow, like this commercial never aired, but it’s

UNB Tim:
Uh

Bryan:
so

UNB Tim:
huh.

Bryan:
rad, you know? Or we saw the gay catalog they put out. They did two issues of an actual gay catalog that ended up being kind of a disaster for them because it was too ahead of its time. They didn’t know who was gay.

UNB Tim:
That’s

Bryan:
So

UNB Tim:
true.

Bryan:
they had to just guess. and sent

UNB Tim:
Oh

Bryan:
this

UNB Tim:
wow.

Bryan:
catalog out to people. And it would, you know, it’s going to addresses and people don’t know who they’re going to. And that really, they got a

UNB Tim:
Bye.

Bryan:
lot of like people calling like, how dare you send this to me or what are you doing? Or, you know, pure, yeah, so. But it was great because it literally would be like pride related things. And the, you know, it was the clothing and the language in the copy, everything was very out. and proud.

UNB Tim:
Well, yeah, that was definitely ahead of its time. That was, uh, wow. Wow.

Bryan:
Do you remember the

UNB Tim:
I

Bryan:
name

UNB Tim:
do

Bryan:
of

UNB Tim:
this.

Bryan:
that catalog, Jess?

Jesse:
It was called him.

UNB Tim:
I vaguely remember that. Vaguely

Jesse:
You might

UNB Tim:
remember.

Jesse:
have been a lucky few who got it.

Bryan:
I’m out.

UNB Tim:
I don’t think I got it, but I remember hearing about it.

Jesse:
Yeah,

UNB Tim:
I

Jesse:
like

UNB Tim:
don’t remember.

Jesse:
it was funny. It was the opposite extreme. It’s like on the cover, there was like a pink triangle over the eye. You know, there was like rainbow flags. There was like, you know, for the catalog, which had always sort of skirted sexual

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Jesse:
orientation, it was full-throated, let’s just say. And seems appropriate. It was full-throated. And I mean, the clothes were like, it was like what you’re imagining, but taken to another extreme. But yeah, I think that was actually another really fucking fascinating thing that happened, which was like, you know, here’s all this talk, they’re labeled a gay catalog, they try to straighten it out, they try to do all these things, and then they make a gay catalog? like specifically a gay catalog, and it goes terribly.

UNB Tim:
Miracle-y.

Jesse:
It goes horribly. And it’s like, that’s the sort of irony of all of this.

Bryan:
Yeah, the catalog itself. So we discovered this catalog when we interviewed. Oh, my brain just went dead. Jess,

Jesse:
What, him?

Bryan:
is it Peter?

Jesse:
Oh, Peter. Peter

Bryan:
Peter,

Jesse:
Carroll.

Bryan:
what was Peter, Peter Carroll, thank you. Peter Carroll, who was creative director during his time, he was the one that created this magazine, this catalog. And when you look at it, I wish we could show it to you, but I don’t know, but its design was so good. And the images were amazing. They were so powerful and so strong. And the clothing these guys were wearing was like, wow. that is like someone ready to go to a pride party and like leather and straps. And I mean, it was just really impressive. It was so, so that 90s look and feel that, that just, I don’t know, I found it awesome. And it was very sad that it not, but it was, it was, they put a lot of work into it. It wasn’t just like, you know, a little catalog. They put a… lot of work and a lot of resources went into making.

UNB Tim:
nice yeah because they always did amazing stuff amazing catalogs so i figured that would be just as amazing but yeah so i have to ask that you’ve been showing up until recently the film at uh film festivals and around the country uh and it just came out on a video or download What has been some of the things you’ve been hearing from people after they see the movie? What are some of the more memorable things people have said to you guys after viewing it?

Jesse:
Well, I think that something that I’m really excited about and was exciting in making the film as we were sort of shepherding the story, was it becomes a film about a lot more than what people

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
are expecting it to be. And that makes me really happy. Everything is created in a context. And I think sort of… bringing your viewers along to sort of seeing how this is operating in the world and what they’re up against, et cetera. I think that it’s very humanizing. I think it’s what we’re attracted to generally speaking as human beings is like these stories. I think I was worried at times, I can remember thinking like, ah, will people be disappointed it’s not sexy enough or something.

Bryan:
Hehehe

Jesse:
But I think I’m really proud of it. I don’t think I’m answering your question very well.

UNB Tim:
It’s well, it’s there’s so much to cover in this topic that because when I when I saw it, I was expecting one thing I was expecting

Jesse:
Yeah.

UNB Tim:
the sexy I was expecting, you know all that but when I watched it, I was like Oh You gave me something. I didn’t know I wanted basically Because you saw more the behind the scenes you saw more of the people who made it And it’s like a family So it was really cool And I’m like, okay, I did not know I needed this movie, but I’m glad I have this movie now. Cause when

Bryan:
Well,

UNB Tim:
I stopped

Bryan:
I don’t

UNB Tim:
watching

Bryan:
know, go ahead.

UNB Tim:
it, I was like, okay. That wasn’t what I expected. Let’s think. Cause it got me thinking and I’m like, oh, okay. And that’s when I’m like, I’ve got to watch it again and again and again. So,

Jesse:
I’m going to go to bed.

UNB Tim:
so yeah.

Bryan:
I mean, that was the hope. I mean, that was the whole point of what we were doing in that way. I mean, it was the same thing for us, you know? It starts out as one idea, one premise, which is this fun catalog that gay men connected

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
to and had an affinity for and loved the clothing and loved to jerk off to it. And then all of a sudden, wow, there’s so much more to it than just that and how it influenced and affected. and was influenced by what was happening in the culture at the time.

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
Also the thing is, I think when, what’s been great about people watching the film, it is that, it is that, actually when you said, you know, you weren’t, you were like, oh wow, there’s all this stuff I didn’t expect. The staff were the same way, all the people who had worked for it, when they saw it. and they were also surprised. As a matter of fact, I remember several of them talking to each other about the interview experience and that it wasn’t what they were expecting at all. They were expecting that we would want to talk about, I don’t know, underwear, international mail and like gossip stories or just even didn’t know. And from the models to everybody was like, oh, they asked me all this. Like it just wasn’t what they were expecting. And I think that’s the whole point of it, right? Like for us, it was that same thing, this catalog that was written off, that was always trying to fight for legitimacy in the fashion space and as a brand. And it’s still the same thing, even within the people who bought from it, or at least had an affinity for it. I think that, and the other thing that’s just been great, is going to the various screenings over the last year. We released pretty much a year ago at

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
Tribeca and did film festivals up until a couple of months ago. And now with the theatrical release and the streaming releases, the thing that’s always great is hearing everyone’s story from the personal stories that people have as to what it meant to them and what role it played in their lives. because when you’re making these films, you’re not making them for yourself. Or

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Bryan:
you’re not making them for a committee of awards jurists. You’re making this for people to connect with and to take something from and to feel like something that they were thinking maybe gets expressed or explored in a way that they weren’t thinking. It becomes…

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Bryan:
something for them to have.

UNB Tim:
Yes.

Bryan:
And that’s been, that’s, I mean, that’s the best part. That’s the best thing you can hope for when you make a film in general.

UNB Tim:
Yes, it is. Because it kind of makes me sad there’s not an international male for the current generation. That this is just happened then and ended because the day when they close, I know they were closing, I swear I almost cried that day. I was like, no, no. So it’s, and explaining it to certain, some of the younger listeners and readers we have is kind of like, okay, this is no internet. This is… totally different and they just don’t get it. So, but it just makes me sad they don’t have something similar, but that’s

Jesse:
Well,

UNB Tim:
the world we live in with the internet.

Jesse:
and I think that connects back to something I said really early on, which is why it’s so special to us, because it was special. And

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
I mean, hopefully this film, to your point of feeling sad for them, I mean, I think that we as a culture always are moving hopefully forward. I know that’s debatable at times, depending on what state you live in.

UNB Tim:
True.

Jesse:
But this idea that there are whole, our world was a analog world. It was a, like things had an end. You could read the newspaper cover to cover and that was the newspaper for that day. And we now live in a world where information is just flowing by us, literally in the palm of our hands, second

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
after second and I think the way that young people see the world is a totally different way. I think that I’m psyched that I’m a Gen Xer because I get to have both. I get to have both the analog and digital world.

UNB Tim:
Exactly.

Jesse:
But I will say this, I was having a conversation recently with some people who came to a screening here in Los Angeles. And they were saying, you know, it’s something so special about holding the catalog in my hands and looking

UNB Tim:
Mm-hmm.

Jesse:
at it. And these were 20 somethings. And I was like, I was really like looking at it and there was nothing interrupting me, they were saying. And I was like, yeah,

UNB Tim:
Nice.

Jesse:
it was, it’s something really special. And they were saying, yeah, that’s why I buy magazines still, or it’s why I do this still is because, you know, the dominant force in our world is of course digital.

UNB Tim:
Yeah, very, that’s cool though, that they got the catalog. Awesome, awesome.

Jesse:
Yeah, I was really touched by them. One of them took it from their father. That’s

UNB Tim:
Oh wow.

Jesse:
where he’s like, my dad still has them. So I took one. It was hilarious.

UNB Tim:
Wow. I wish I still had mine, but oh well. But I guess we’ll wrap it up there. I could talk probably a couple hours with you guys if I keep going, but thank you. A, thank you for making the movie. It was well worth the wait when I got to see it. I was very happy. I know you guys are, it’s coming out on DVD soon as well. You can get it on many of the… digital services to buy. So you can go watch it now. You can watch it tonight after listening to this.

Bryan:
Yes, watch it and give it a four star or five star rating on Apple or wherever else that helps keep the movie up there and people seeing it.

UNB Tim:
I’ve gotta do that, I haven’t done that. Thank you for reminding me about that. I’m gonna go do that, because I bought it on Apple. Yay.

Bryan:
Oh yeah, all those ratings really do affect visibility for sure.

UNB Tim:
So thank you both for coming on the podcast today. It was a pleasure and so much fun. Everyone go watch the movie, I highly recommend it. Everyone in this podcast who listens, you’re in the demographic to watch this. So we have no excuses for why you cannot watch this. So go watch

Jesse:
Mm-hmm.

UNB Tim:
it,

Bryan:
Hehehe…

UNB Tim:
people. You will not be disappointed, but you will probably be like me, wanting more and more and more after you watch the movie, because there’s so much. you wish they went into but you know there’s only so much time you can put into a movie so it’s still amazing even without the things I wish to win in there but I guess it’s a good thing wanting more when you leave

Bryan:
I was always going to say I’d rather want more than be like, oh, when is

UNB Tim:
Oh,

Bryan:
this

UNB Tim:
that’s

Bryan:
ending?

UNB Tim:
it? Or that was

Bryan:
Yes.

UNB Tim:
it? That’s

Bryan:
Yes,

UNB Tim:
all they did?

Bryan:
totally. Yes.

UNB Tim:
Awesome. But yeah, go watch people. You will not be disappointed. So thank you everyone. We’ll have another podcast soon. Bye everyone.

Jesse:
Thank

Bryan:
Bye.

Jesse:
you.